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VesaII
Verfasst am: 2.3.2019, 8:28 Antworten mit Zitat
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Tervehdys kaikille arvon Morini harrastajille

Paioli rear strut is adjustable and actually quite good quality. This makes me think of 9,5 front suspension which is quit simple, but is it too simple and can it be improved?

Internal parts can be changed but Corsaro parts are not bolt in, as they are shorter but how about these

https://www.ebay.it/itm/Kit-Cartuccia-Forcella-Andreani-Group-Cartridge-Moto-Morini-R-1200-Sport-05-11-/380454687903

Are they interchangeable and is it worth the change? Have you done the change? How do you feel it while riding?


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hobra69
Verfasst am: 2.3.2019, 9:50 Antworten mit Zitat
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Moi Vesalli,

These cartridges are the most common way to improve the front suspension.
There are quite a few people in this forum who have gone this path.
Everyone who uses them is raving about them. They seem to be really good.
The price used to be way higher when they came into my focus.
They used to be around 750.-€.

I guess you can find some more information about it if you google a bit.

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VesaII
Verfasst am: 2.3.2019, 22:34 Antworten mit Zitat
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hobra69 hat Folgendes geschrieben:
Moi Vesalli,

These cartridges are the most common way to improve the front suspension.
There are quite a few people in this forum who have gone this path.
Everyone who uses them is raving about them. They seem to be really good.
The price used to be way higher when they came into my focus.
They used to be around 750.-€.

I guess you can find some more information about it if you google a bit.


Tervehdys Holger

Yes, people are talking about day/night differences.

Looks like this is a must to have stuff...

But there are four different versions for Morinis. No 9.5 and only Scrambler has 50mm shocks, they say. Strange. My believe was that all of them had same size, only length was different...?

http://www.andreanigroup.de/app/download/5642493/Andreani+-+special+kit+Endverbraucher+2015+ING.pdf

Edit: Did check and Sport and 9,5 has similar shock, but Avio is a bit different. Confusing..

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JK
Verfasst am: 2.3.2019, 23:35 Antworten mit Zitat
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Hi VesaII,

you know this thread?
http://www.ital-web.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5476&highlight=andreani

These guys are talking about the Kit for 9 1/2 and Ebi says, that Fork of Scrambler and 9 1/2 are the same after looking to the workshop manual.

I got my bike running since a week, now getting instructions for mapping (from Ebi and Günni). After getting the beast running better, I will go for the suspension parts.

greetings
Jörg

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VesaII
Verfasst am: 3.3.2019, 8:49 Antworten mit Zitat
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JK hat Folgendes geschrieben:
Hi VesaII,

you know this thread?
http://www.ital-web.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5476&highlight=andreani

These guys are talking about the Kit for 9 1/2 and Ebi says, that Fork of Scrambler and 9 1/2 are the same after looking to the workshop manual.

I got my bike running since a week, now getting instructions for mapping (from Ebi and Günni). After getting the beast running better, I will go for the suspension parts.

greetings
Jörg


Hello JK

I checked your thread, but still a bit uncertain and they are talking about 9.5 and Sport and they seem to be similar on one level at least:
https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/moto-morini-9_1-2/ke2975.html
https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/moto-morini/2012-moto-morini-1200-sport-ar127604.html

Scrambler has different Front wheel travel at least by Topspeed and it is different character bike also. More useful off road.
https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/moto_morini-scrambler/ke3031.html

Model of Andreani has also changed a bit. It is revisited and called Misano. Model number is 150 now

This looks good place to order as you can choose application and announce your weight
https://www.omniaracing.net/en/andreani-misano-adjustable-hydraulic-cartridge-for-moto-morini-r1200-sport-20052011-p-19793.html


But i will put email first to info@andreanigroup.com for clarification

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JK
Verfasst am: 3.3.2019, 10:56 Antworten mit Zitat
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oh sorry, sure it was Sport!

and this is for Sport 2005-2011:
https://www.omniaracing.net/en/andreani-adjustabale-hydraulic-cartridge-kit-for-fork-moto-morini-1200-sport-20052011-p-19792.html

Writing a email would be a good idea,let us hear the answer. I'm interesstet.

Good sunday
Jörg

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VesaII
Verfasst am: 13.3.2019, 18:25 Antworten mit Zitat
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Anreani did not respod and Omnirace people did not know how they fit or what difference is between choices https://www.omniaracing.net/en/andreani-misano-adjustable-hydraulic-cartridge-for-moto-morini-r1200-sport-20052011-p-19793.html

But Benedikt alias Brmoke had lot of experience of them:

"The Andreani cartridge for the Sport (Code: 105/MM2) is the same as the one I used for the 9 1/2, both with 150 mm of fork stroke. I was really satisfied with a setup range of 5 turns from fully closed to fully open. I used SAE2,5 for compression and SAE7,5 for rebound.

When I bought my cartridges the were to use with the standard springs. Until now I have no idea, how it would be with Andreani springs. The version I have for my Granpasso was with Andreani springs and are rather stiff, which I prefer for my only onroad use."

Of his comment i read that Andreani is the only way to go if you have Morini and version Street is a hard enough choice if you buy from Omnirace.

Thanks for information Benedikt!

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VesaII
Verfasst am: 18.3.2019, 19:44 Antworten mit Zitat
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Hello all

It would be interesting to hear your experiences and opinions about Andreanis and other add-ons.

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Ebi
Verfasst am: 18.3.2019, 20:09 Antworten mit Zitat
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Hi Vesa,

Zitat:
I used SAE2,5 for compression and SAE7,5 for rebound.


This was the main point to make the Andreanis work as expected. The kit has a relatively low price, it is not a high end suspension, but its money worth.

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TinTin
Verfasst am: 19.3.2019, 11:43 Antworten mit Zitat
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I have Andreani in my Ducati GT1000 and Guzzi V7 cafe classic and both kits improved handling quite a bit compared to the stock setup

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VesaII
Verfasst am: 19.3.2019, 16:19 Antworten mit Zitat
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Interesting points Ebi and TinTin

More fluid oil for compression as OHLINS 7,5 is by Andreani. Was compression too hard with 7,5 or why 2.5?

Which way you feel Andreani is better? How i notice it? Is it similar improvement for both bikes TinTin and thus similar for Morinis? How Ebi feels the difference?

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Ebi
Verfasst am: 19.3.2019, 18:47 Antworten mit Zitat
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Zitat:
Was compression too hard with 7,5 or why 2.5?


Yes, same problem with the original Morini cartridges. The difference is, that you can turn the adjusters at the Morini cartridges in or out and almost nothing happens (Corsaro), furthermore rebound affects compression etc etc......

With Adreani you really can adjust rebound and compression separately.

BR

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VesaII hat Folgendes geschrieben:
Which way you feel Andreani is better? How i notice it? Is it similar improvement for both bikes TinTin and thus similar for Morinis? How Ebi feels the difference?

orignal setups seem more soft and sluggish, Adreani feel more sticky to the tarmac when surface is uneven
My cardridges were setup at the factory to match my weight (in full riding gear), even specifying the ammount and grade of oil to use

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VesaII
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TinTin hat Folgendes geschrieben:
VesaII hat Folgendes geschrieben:
Which way you feel Andreani is better? How i notice it? Is it similar improvement for both bikes TinTin and thus similar for Morinis? How Ebi feels the difference?

orignal setups seem more soft and sluggish, Adreani feel more sticky to the tarmac when surface is uneven
My cardridges were setup at the factory to match my weight (in full riding gear), even specifying the ammount and grade of oil to use


People say that even braking and cornering is improved, but sure if there is bumpy road, then improvement must be more obvious.

When buying from Omniracing, they ask your weight and application. For me it will be street, as street/track might be too hard i guess..

How is your configuration and did they explain why they choose it? And price?

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